Updating the GOAT debate after Djokovic’s latest triumph in Australia
Novak Djokovic has closed the Grand Slam gap and intensified the GOAT debate with one dominant fortnight in Australia.
On the heels of Novak Djokovic’s latest coronation in Australia, the GOAT debate is once again percolating among the tennis cognoscenti. It’s not a surprise. The Big Three have won 58 of 70 Grand Slam titles since Roger Federer claimed his maiden Wimbledon title in 2003. That’s 82.8571 percent if you’re scoring at home. An impressive strike rate for all three ascendant GOATs.
On Sunday it was Djokovic painting a picture of dominance as he barreled past Daniil Medvedev in under two hours to snag another slice of Grand Slam history by winning his 18th major title. So he’s the GOAT now, right?
Not so fast, it’s a fluid situation, and there’s lots of tennis to be played…
18 Grand Slams for Djokovic 🏆
This race is tight… 👀 #AusOpen pic.twitter.com/yd7e8bkPeN
— ATP Tour (@atptour) February 21, 2021
Novak takes aim on… Margaret Court?
The tennis world has been watching Serena Williams attempt to tie Margaret Court’s Grand Slam record (24 major singles titles) since 2017. Maybe in a few years’ time we’ll be watching Djokovic chase the same dream.
See also – In pictures : A timeline of Serena Williams’ quest for 24
Djokovic appears to have enough spring in his step to catch every player – male or female – ahead of him on the Grand Slam singles title list. Let your imagination wander: Can you go there?
Ivanisevic (Djokovic's coach) : "These guys are still producing steps and steps in every final. Maybe they will surpass Maragaret Court (24 Slams) and Serena Williams (23). I still think Rafa (20) and Novak (18) will overtake Roger (20)." #AusOpen #live
— Tennis Majors (@Tennis_Majors) February 21, 2021
Federer falling down the ladder
But first Djokovic must catch Nadal and Federer. The “OG” – or original GOAT – on the men’s side is Federer. The Swiss maestro has been top of the pops in the Grand Slam title race since passing Pete Sampras at Wimbledon in 2009. But now Federer shares that distinction with Nadal, who joined his rival and friend when he won his 20th major title at Roland-Garros in October.
How much longer can Federer delay the inevitable? At 39, he’s down a few sets to Father Time, never mind his main rivals. And on Sunday it has been made very clear: the galloping thoroughbred named Djokovic is putting himself in position to catch – and pass – both Federer and Nadal.
“You know, you don’t know where is the end of these guys,” Goran Ivanisevic, Djokovic’s coach, said last night in Melbourne. “They’re unbelievable. They are producing better and better tennis.”
Djokovic, who will turn 34 in May, is the youngest of the ascendant GOATs, with the most room to run. Ivanisevic believes that he’ll win at least three more majors, and maybe a lot more.
“It’s just great. The race is there. Who knows,” says Ivanisevic. “I said a couple years ago: Rafa and Novak, they are going to overtake Roger, both of them. I still believe that. I still think so.”
Shifting focus – Djokovic wants more Slams
Djokovic missed out on a few big opportunities to close the gap on Nadal and Federer in 2020, with Wimbledon being cancelled and his disqualification at the US Open, but now that he’s won again in Australia, the public’s perception of what Djokovic can accomplish has shifted again.
It’s difficult to imagine a world where Djokovic doesn’t win at least one more Slam in 2021, and maybe he’ll win two more. The Serb has locked up one of his two biggest goals by securing the record for the most all-time weeks at No 1 (he’ll break this record on March 8), so now he can focus on his stated goal of owning the Slams.
“Now, after achieving the historic No 1 for the longest weeks at No 1, it’s going to be a relief for me because I’m going to focus all my attention on slams mostly,” Djokovic told reporters after Sunday’s final. “When you are going for No. 1 rankings, you kind of have to be playing the entire season and you have to be playing well, you have to play all the tournaments.”
Also read: No 1 record beaten, family, father time: Why Djokovic will turn the “Roger mode” on in Grand Slams
Djokovic is a man that clearly has set his targets high. And he’s not shy about the subject.
“Whether I think about winning more slams and breaking records, of course. Of course, I do,” he said. “And most of my attention and my energy from this day forward, until I retire from tennis, is going to be directed in majors, trying to win more major trophies.”
Beware: Recency bias is real
Given that Nadal and Djokovic have claimed the last two major titles in such impressive fashion, it’s natural to assume that the pair can maintain their dominance at Roland-Garros and Australia respectively, for years to come. Already pundits are handing Nadal two more titles in Paris and those same pundits believe that 22 majors won’t be enough to stop Djokovic from overtaking both Nadal and Federer in the Grand Slam title race.
But Grand Slam titles aren’t won by pundits, years in advance. Yes, Nadal and Djokovic did make their most recent triumphs look easy in some ways, but there has been a physical and emotional toll exacted on both players. Djokovic was nearly compromised due to injury in Melbourne, and it’s no guarantee that a similar injury wouldn’t have a far more deleterious effect a year from now, or two years from now.
Is it wrong to believe that Djokovic can win five more major titles? No. It does seem quite possible. But we must take into account the enormity of the task and the role that time will play in the equation. The Serb will be racing his biological clock while simultaneously trying to fend off his challengers.
He knows they are coming for him, but after last night Djokovic is confident that he can hold those challengers off, at least for a few more years.
“Dominic [Thiem] has contested in several Grand Slam finals before he actually got a trophy, got a win,” Djokovic said. “How long is it going to take for maybe Zverev or Tsitsipas or Medvedev to do the same? I don’t know. But they seem awfully close. I mean, Medvedev was definitely a guy to beat today. I mean, 20-match winning streak. Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev, they all won World Tour Finals, multiple Masters 1000 events and high ranking. They have all contested in semis and finals of slams, so it’s just a matter of time.”
For now, there is no GOAT, and maybe there will never be…
An important caveat to this conversation: GOAT talk is an exercise in futility, at least until each of the Big 3 have retired. And even then how can we really say which player is better? If we decide that one of the three stands head and shoulders above the rest, how can we say that player also outshines a legend from the past like Pete Sampras or Bjorn Borg or Rod Laver?
As we’ve said before, GOAT debates are fun to have. They sell papers, enhance click rates and drive up social media engagement. They also push us into healthy debates about what makes a tennis player truly great. Slam titles, head-to-head dominance, performance across all surfaces, athletic prowess, rankings and mass appeal all play a role in the perception of a tennis player’s greatness, and when we dissect the fine points it can be an illuminating experience.
But too often GOAT talk does a disservice to legends of the past in favor of the current candidates. Let us not forget that the contributions of Budge, King, Perry, Navratilova, Laver, Graf, Borg, Seles and Sampras. Each has done heavy lifting in laying the groundwork for the current generation.
Tennis is a giant quilt, with the contributions of the legends of the past woven into the progress of its current stars. Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are indeed rewriting the record books, and they’ve earned the right to be considered along with the greats of the past, just as the greats of the future will likely earn the right to be considered along with them.
GS – Novak 18, Federer 20, Rafa 20;
H2H – Novak vs Federer 27:23, vs Rafa 29:27;
Final H2H – Novak vs Federer 13:6, vs Rafa 16:12;
BT final H2H – Novak vs Federer 11:4, vs Rafa 12:11;
W1 – Novak 311+, Federer 310, Rafa 209;
BT – Novak 59, Federer 54, Rafa 56;
M – Novak 36, Federer 28, Rafa 35;
TF – Novak 5, Federer 6, Rafa 0;
Most completed years as No. 1, there are six (with Sampras);
Most Masters Titles in Single Season – Novak 6, Federer 4, Rafa 5;
Most Big Titles in Single Season – Novak 10, Federer 8, Rafa 7;
The only player who had all four GS and at the same time + TF;
The only player who has won each Masters two or more times, Federer is missing one (Monte Carlo), Rafa is missing two (Miami and Paris)…
Novak is the GOAT!!!
If we look at the numbers, there are no way Federer can be GOAT unless you only go by “looks” or you are so biased that you cannot see the facts. Unless we regard the decade of 2000s produces superior tennis than the decade 2010s, which is no way the case.
The facts in the last 12 years in Men Tennis are as follows:
Majors: Djokovic = 17; Nadal = 14; Federer =5; Murray=3
Weeks No 1: Djokovic= 312; Nadal = 163; Murray=41; Federer = 25
Year end No1: Djokovic = 5; Nadal= 4; Murray =1; Federer = 0
Masters: Djokovic = 31; Nadal= 20; Federer = 12; Murray =10
Djokovic has won more than triple time the amount of Grand slams than Federer in the last 12 years. The same with the Masters.
Nadal has also won almost triple times more than Federer and twice as much Masters as Federer during the period.
Djokovic has spent 287 more weeks at no1 than Federer during the period.
During this period, to be honest, Federer is only comparable to Murray, looking at the numbers.
For the real ATP G.O.A.T have a look here:
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/goatList
as y can see it will be Novak Djokovic very soon.
Who is the greatest tennis player of all time?
Roger is like graceful dancer
Rafa is like a brutal boxer
Novak is like a lethal martial artist
To determine who really is the GOAT, simply look objectively at all the major records, stats and facts, applying rational thinking and logical reasoning. The answer is obvious to the objective and unbiased mind. Keep the wishful thinking, delusional dreaming and misguided emotions out of the discussion.
It is important to factor in that Roger has played about 5 years/ 90 tournaments & Rafa has played 2 years/ 35 tournaments more then Novak.
Major Records & Stats, Novak Roger Rafa. Advantage
1. Total Titles. 82 102 86. Roger
2. Winning Percentage 83.10% 82.00% 83.10%Novak-Rafa
3. Grand Slam Titles 18 20 20 Rafa-Roger
4. Masters Titles 36 28 35 Novak
5. Year End Championship Titles. 5 6 0 Roger
6. Total Big Titles 59 54 55. Novak
7. Big Titles Conversion Rate. 59/194 54/237. 55/190 Novak
8 Big Titles In A Year 10 8 8 Novak
9 Four Straight Grand Slams. 1 0 0 Novak
10 Three Straight Grand Slams. 3 2. 1 Novak
11 Consecutive Grand Slams 4 3 3 Novak
12 Consecutive Master Titles 12 9. 9 Novak
13 Consecutive Year End Titles 5 4. 0 Novak
14 Golden Masters. 2 0 0 Novak
15 Years Number #1. 6 5. 5 Novak
16 Weeks Number #1 313 310 209. Novak
17 Head To Head. 2-0 0-2 1-1. Novak
18 Head To Head Won Loss. 56-49. 39-51 50-45 Novak
19 Head to Head Majors Finals Big 4 13-7 7-10 10-7 Novak
20 Head to Head Masters Finals Big 4 16-14 8-14 14-13 Novak
21 Head to Head YEC Finals Big 4. 4-1 1-3 0-2 Novak
22 Highest ATP Points Ranking 16,950 15,903 15,390 Novak
23 Highest ELO Points Ranking. 2,629. 2,550 2,552. Novak
24 Highest Peak Playing Level 3 2. 1 Novak.
25 Grand Slam Finals Wins vs Big4 13 7. 10 Novak
26 Year End Championships vs.Big4 4 1 0. Novak
27 Masters Titles vs. Big 4 17 8 14 Novak
28 Winning Percentage vs Top 10. 68.61% 64.55% 65.02% Novak
29 Years with 20 plus wins vs Top 10. 5. 0. 1. Novak
30 Years/Matches Required on Tour 18/1112 23/1513 20/1193. Novak.
31 Level Of Competition 3 1. 2 Novak
32 Losses Holding Match Point. . 3 23 8. Novak
33 Mental Strength. 3. 1, 2. Novak
34 Dealing With Adversity/ Hostile Fans. 3. 1. 2. Novak
35 Five Consecutive Finals 5. 3 . 4. Novak
36 Wikipedia Head To Head Tallies. 30-7 13-33. 19-23. Novak
37 80% win rate on Grass,Hard, Clay. 1. 0. 0 Novak
38 Supreme 14. Majors,Masters YEC. 14. 12. 11. Novak
39 Winning Percentage Record in Finals 70.43%. 65.60%. 69.67%. Novak
40 Winning 71 matches at each Major. 4. 3. 1. Novak
41 Winning Each Master. 9. 7. 7. . Novak
42 Winning Majors in 30s. 5. 4. 5. Novak-Rafa
43 Under Pressure Rating. 249. 239. 241. Novak
44 Deciding Set Win % 73.5% 64.8% 68.6%. Novak
45 Mental Toughness Rating. 2.347. 1.817. 1.931. Novak
46 Losing Record VS. Opponents. 3. 10. 3. Novak- Rafa
47. Longest winning streak 43. 41. 32 Novak
48 Deciding Set Tiebreak Win %. 69.2% 56.3 %. 52.8%. Novak
49 Losing First Set Win %. 42.6%. 41.6%. 42.5% Novak
50 Ultimate Tennis Stats Ranking Points 899. 933. . 833. Roger
Totals 46 4 4. Novak